Dear Joel Osteen, Is Being a Sellout Shepherd Your Ministry?
It’s been a long while since I’ve written a sternly-worded letter. Clearly, I am overdue.
I have been spurred to write one because of an interview that popular pastor, Joel Osteen, gave on the radio in October 2015 (5 months ago), where he basically placed a stamp of approval on Donald Trump, satan’s mentee. Fast forward to 3:50 mark, where it begins.
DAFUQ??
Dear Joel Osteen,
How big was it, Joel? How big was the check that Donald Trump wrote you? Or should I ask how many checks with many zeros has he written you over the years? More importantly, “What profits a man who gains the world and loses his soul?” What’s the price tag for your soul’s wholeness? How many commas?
You got on the radio to promote your book, and the interviewer asked you what you think about Donald Trump. You said:
“Mr. Trump is an incredible communicator and brander. He’s been a friend of our ministry. He’s a good man.”
Oh. OH. OKAY.
The devil is busy and he got more helpers than we even know. Again, I ask. How big have the checks been, Joel?
Donald the Dusty Degenerate is a good man?? In the words of Saint Robin Fenty “BISHWHERE?” How can you, as a supposed Man of God feel okay saying that? How can you have kind words about him at this moment, when that man has built a platform on spewing hate, inciting chaos, othering anyone who isn’t a white man and claiming he’ll build a wall to keep people out. THAT man is the one you’re saying is a “good man.”
Anything less than denouncing Donald Trump’s words is approving of it. Anything other than acknowledging how dangerous he is, and how NOT OKAY it is to be a raging islamophobe, racist and classist douchebag, is approval. To call him a “good man” is to give him a high five, and that is what you did, Joel. It was wrong and it can’t even get right.
This is the boolsheet folks are justifiably angry about when it comes to Prosperity Prophets. You are leading a church where thousands attend every Sunday, and millions of people around the world watch the services. The people who sit in those pews are the very people that Donald Trump would send to a concentration camp if he gets the chance. The people who are putting money in your pocket and in that church’s building fund are the ones he will sell down the river at the blink of an eye. All those books you’ve sold. I bet a huge bulk of them have been bought by Black and brown people, who Drumpf demonizes as mouth exercise. And instead of standing up for them, speaking up against the hate that he represents, you whored yourself out. Because he’s been “a friend to the ministry.” It’s highly unfortunate yet unsurprising.
This is in the vein of countless pimps who stand in pulpits and preach to poor people who they don’t even fight for. Similarly, Paula White, who leads a mostly Black church just came out for Trump too. Some of these shepherds stay setting their sheep up for slaughter, and that is not of God. That is not the key into Heaven.
I wouldn’t have taken you for a fuckboi, Joel. I didn’t follow you closely but I knew of you and knew how highly respected and liked you were. Now I see it’s all a shroud. You’re just another crook in a Christian cloak. I rebuke your kind in the name of Shadrack, Meshack, Abednego and their Billy Goat.
I remember a couple of years back when your church got robbed. The thief got away with $600,000 cash and all they did was break into the church safe, which is emptied every day. You made $600,000 IN CASH made in one day. This doesn’t include those who donated online or with checks. You bring in $32 million a year. You are running a fortune 500 business here, not a place of worship, and it looks like one of your investors just happens to be Squirrel Wig McRacistPants. Of course you’d stand up for him.
Don’t even get me started on how I think churches who are over a certain revenue mark need to be paying taxes. I believe that they need a new system to classify nonprofits, because a $10,000 budget and a $50 million budget shouldn’t be treated the same. But that’s a whole other post.
A barrier for a lot of people to have faith and practice religion are the very people who are supposed to evangelize the Word. I am a lifelong Christian and my faith stands alone, apart from any individual. I am a Christian IN SPITE of these types of instances, and it is a testament to my connection to God being strong enough to where I am not completely disillusioned at these fake ass, ain’t here for the greater good ass pastors.
Something tells me that at the gates of Heaven, a lot of the people who will be left behind will be the ones who’ve considered themselves spokespeople for God. St. Peter gon be like “Who is this strangerbish? I don’t know him.”
Black women probably guard the door of Heaven. BOOP.
Now we gotta send a press release to the Delegation of Black Mamas Who Love Joel Osteen. We gotta tell them what you did and break their hearts. We gotta tell them to cancel the picnic they were planning this summer. YOU’RE ADDING TO MONDAY WORKLOAD, JOEL.
And another one bites the dust. One good thing about Trump’s elevation is that many people have showed their asses. People are not able to hide who they are anymore and the grass is being cut so ALL the snakes are visible now. I wouldn’t have taken you for a cobra, Joel. Now that we know, you can’t shed this skin. Be a friend of Trump’s but that means you’re an enemy of progress.
P.S. I expect you’ll do another interview in a few days where you backtrack. Just know that we don’t believe you and you need more people.
I’M JUDGING YOU, Joel!
P.P.S. People talmbout “this interview is from October 2015. It’s not fair.” Wait. Wayment. Did Donald Trump just become the devil’s understudy in 2016? Did people forget that his campaign BEEN stuck on stupid since at least mid 2015? Did you lose the memory that he led the charge to ask President Obama for his birth certificate to challenge his presidency? Donald ain’t been on shit for a long while, so saying he’s a “Good man” from 5 months ago wasn’t ignorance about his fuckshit. Defend Joel if you want, but this letter ain’t null and void because this interview flew under the radar in October.
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I’m more upset that I’ve defended him previously for his prosperity preaching. He done made a lie outta me. I ain’t here for this trackassery Joel.
No AshP he did not make a liar out of you. Osteen did not endorse Trump. You have to watch the tape yourself to see what was happening.
And no where in my piece did I say he endorsed him. But him saying he’s a “good man and a friend of the ministry” is an approval of sorts.
Luvvie,
Dear that’s not true. I love your site and I also love Joel Osteen and you are dead wrong on this. This radio interview is from October of last year nearly six months ago when Trump was just interesting crazy and not full blown riot inciting off the ledge KKK cray cray.
In this the interviewer asked Joel what he thought of Trump and I felt his answer was very diplomatic in how he basically backed out of it. You quoted him right, but twisted it out of context. Donald is a good communicator and brander and he said he was a friend to his ministry and that’s all. Basically his name is Bennett and he ain’t in it.
This was wrong how you handled this in twisting the mans words and as one of your loyal followers I’m disappointed in you.
James
I watched the tape for myself and agreed with James. Joel was referring to Trump in a non political way like he is his friend from a long time ago.
James,
You’re leaking. And you’re on “rinse” right now. Olsteen showed his hand. This pastor is not stupid and he knows how Donald Trump works. I tire of people excusing what is obviously wrong as “neutral” – when you know good and well, that it isn’t. This problem of bullsh*ttery and Donald Trump didn’t start 5 months ago. Where have you been? It may be uncomfortable to speak about, but it’s being spoken about. How do you expect people to learn from the truth, when you cannot admit the truth? Olsteen isn’t crazy, neither is Donald Trump and neither are you. Ashamed of Luvvie? Pulease. If you don’t like the truth, simply keep moving and vote for Trump (since he was nice guy in the past).
WOW. The mighty dollarin’ is hollarin’.
Wow, I never would have thought you would make this kind of post, and most of all calling yourself a Christian. I was born in the church (not literally obviously) and I know that the kinds of post this blog has are not written by a Christian writer. Were you born in the church, or were you born in a home that believed in God? There is a difference, and there is also a difference between what a Catholic is and what a Christian is. As much as I absolutely love your blog I have had a problem with this idea of calling yourself a Christian just because your parents taught you to pray and raised you as a believer. There is also a difference between a believer and a follower.
Now that I got that out of the way lets talk about what this post is about. Just because Osteen said Donald Trump was a good man doesn’t mean that he agrees with his ideals. I haven’t even heard of a lot of Christian leaders that actually talk about their position outside of their own homes.
Donald Trump is just immature, which is the Republicans main concern about him. And he might be immature but his ideas fit only in one category, and that is nationalist. He basically wants to keep the U.S. pure and out of trouble and others’ business, which is why he wants to build the wall and keep out Middle Eastern refugees. A lot of people like these ideals, clearly, since he’s won in so many places. He’s won in places with a high percentage of minority citizens, like where I live; that should tell you that its not just white people.
I think this is unnecessary, and you don’t need to be a minority to know this. I do personally think he would help in some ways but in most things I think he should just stick to being in his own business and not handling the country’s. He’s too childish
Why would you say she’s not a Christian? because she uses language that you find vulgar? or is it the fact she has challenged conventional Christendom? First off, one of the most important tenants of Christianity is not to judge. In my view deciding someone is or isn’t a Christian constitutes judging. Now, I can hear folks screaming in the background…”By their fruits you shall know them.” So true. But tell me—-what is better fruit one that has a pretty outside but is sour and rotten inside or one that might have some blemishes on the exterior but is sweeter and is more nourishing? I’ll take the one that fills the tummy of the hungry soul. She uses words in a very powerful way–and some will feel uncomfortable with her vocabulary. But the substance of what she says fills the soul and brings such an insight into humanity and what is right and good. So, I urge you to rethink your stance.
He made him self clear. Don’t be deceived follow your God given instincts. I love his messages even got books. We do have to be mindful of those we are spiritual bedfellows with. Be ye not unequally yoked. Is not only about your marriage partner. I’m heart broken. Yet not surprised. There are more out there silent. At least Joel spoke his mind openly and showed his dance partnership g. Logan
Joel thing aside, what trump is doing with his mouth is keeping a very dangerous individual at bay, Ted Cruz. Joel is just in the middle whether one chooses to follow him or not, and whether trump is elected, he’s keeping something very sadistic out with his fearlessness. There’s other good ones running, not sure all names because of third parties and such to choose as far as that, just check all candidates list and go within and use your intuition. I’m supporting another besides trump, won’t state but just vote wisely and check out lists of all in every party if open primary, closed, can only do your best wiyh what you have. Just wanted to share because what was brought to light in fb feeds, Cruz is terrifying.
Are there ministers, especially at his level, who have not ‘sold out’ to republican politicians?
Good question.
Probably not.
WOUCH! I am one of the Black Mama’s that liked’d him. You don’t have to tell me twice…BOOM SHAKA LAKA I’m done! Thanks, Luvvie!
Yup. Books just gone to recycling. And Pastor Paula too. I can’t support those that support hate.
This is why I’ve stopped supporting/caring about “ministers” of mega churches. They will stoop to the lowest levels of humanity and compromise their morals for the all-mighty dollar. And honestly, this doesn’t surprise me. I’m now waiting for Creflo to endorse Satan’s Spawn (aka Donald Trump) as well.
Creflo might endorse him for a jet ijs
See I was thankin that old Joel, could buy CC$ that fancy plane that he needs to spread his ministry. Joel then could write it off as a church expense or let Flint Michigan rob his safe after Sunday collections and get new water pipes. It’s a win-win.
Wowzers Joel! finito with your country dumb azz. ????????
I hollered at “Squirrel Wig McRacistPants”, but everything you said is spot on. I can’t even type/read/say Joel Osteen now without an eye roll and a side of twist mouf (yeah, MOUF).
“Squirrel Wig McRacistPants,” LOL! That’s awesome! I am SO calling Dump that (when I’m not calling him Dump).
Hmmm…this interview was done back in October when nobody was really taking Trunp seriously and no one thought he’d even still be in the race. This letter feels a bit like sensationalism. I think joel would have said something different if this question was posed to him this year. Idk.
Actually, Trump has BEEN on bullshit. He didn’t just start spewing nonsense.
Does it matter? Had Trump portrayed himself as a better man back in October? I don’t believe he did.
Yeah I would have thought that until I saw the video last week of Paula White endorsing him as well. I know PW is problematic for folks for other reasons, but still she welds a great deal of influence too.
I was thinking the same thing. It would be nice to know if he currently feel the same.
I think your right.
Your contrived issue was addressed. Go back. Read again. Do not rinse.
Trump has been on some shiznit for a LONG time. Did you forget about the Central Park 5? Joel Osteen and the rest of those prosperity pumps are all sellouts!!! Sensationalism? That’s kinda funny…ha!
I rebuke your kind in the name of Shadrack, Meshack, Abednego and their Billy Goat.
That rebuke is the kind that takes root! His whole, entire family has been rebuked. Thank you.
Crying! I didn’t know those three had a goat!
Luvvie is a steady provider of the truth. That’s why SHE prospers.
I have never like him. He creeps me out, & I don’t trust a person who grins as much as he does all the damn time. So as far as I’m concerned, this is just another tally mark in the column of why I’m not here for this man. Fuckery!
I feel you… I feel the same about Mr, Olsteen. I have plenty friends and family who share his “words of faith” all day long on FB, but he’s always Always ALWAYS come across as a snake oil salesman to me! #Hmph
???????????????? “What You Said!” thank you, all that skinning and grinning creeps me out. Never have understood what the big attraction is to that Man. “Smh”
He has ALWAYS seemed like a money-grubbing fake. The only thing he’s ever gotten from me is a major dose of side-eye so this doesn’t surprise me one bit. But, it is wackness personified. Thanks for the heads-up.
Please exit through the gift shop, Mr. Osteen. And don’t steal anything on your way out! Buh-bye!
And their Billy Goat???!! I am so dying! Can’ stop the tears!! Too dumb funny!
So many moms and g-moms woke up this morning, made their coffee/tea, cut on the television, and promptly dropped that cup. They are burning up those phone lines tah-day!!! I hope he doesn’t backtrack though. I want him to stay the course. Those folks that can see their pastor as bought-and-paid-for, are more votes not for Drumpf. He has defiled their church and something that they see as sacred (even though, false idols and all that jazz).
Now, imagine if Creflo an’em did the same… just take a second and picture it. Lawd!!! Bruhs would be running for their fancy cars and hoping all those horses could outrun Big Momma and her prayer group.
Creflo is a crook for real. I would not be shocked if he campaigned for Donald Trump.
Luvvie… I had a sad and turrible introduction to mega churches via Creflo Dollar when I was in college. I was ashamed of those Black people the weekend his dog and pony show came to Philly. I was so disgusted by the things I saw and heard from him and his crew… I ALMOST put nails under his car tires and if it wasn’t for my paycheck, I would have gotten into his dressing room and destroyed everything in it.
It is my understanding Pastor Paula White did the same thing. These are people with large multi-cultural congregations! I am at a sheer loss at this decent into utter madness!
I mention Paula in here too.
Well it has been a long time since I’ve been crushed!!!!! And this well this indeed does leave me crushed!!! I thought I was ready for whatever I had to hear….. This is so astounding to me, I feel betrayed. I am sooooo conflicted!! Of course I won’t give another dime to that ministry “The phrase “He has been very good to this ministry” clearly confirms that my little teeny tiny bit of money DON’T BE NEEDED NO MO’!! Seriously I gotta find a way to recover from this — Joel Osteen was for me the quintessential man of GOD… for him to say “Trump is a good man” totally negates my previous opinion — So farewell my old acqaintence… I’m soooo conflicted..
Me too, Renee. All of this. I am actually hurt right now. Being in Texas can you imagine the hispanic support he probably has? Hopefully they all get the message.
Renee don’t lose your faith in a man that’s why GOD tells us not to put our FAITH in MAN cause man will fall you it doesn’t surprise me nothing that man want do for MONEY now a days pick your head up pray to god for strength preaches these days can paint on a pretty face but if you wait after a while that paint going to start vanishing away and you see them for who they really are i hope that things get better for you !
Joel Osteen must read a different bible than the rest of us. Which statement makes this “good man” words most like Jesus in his book: when Trump said “I’d like to punch him in the face”, or, “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot people”?
I’m with you Luvvie – I don’t care how much backpedaling there is on this one, they’re two Peabrains in a Pod.
Two tiny dried pea brains rattling around in a too-big pod.
Absolutely my feelings mutually, basically if anyone that is for chump (trump) then they are against me. And for Joel, please let me find a pastor of sound mind and soul who is not in it for financial gain and can speak the words of Jesus…..these so called “men of the cloth” kill my spirit day after day! Grrrr.
Well Done, @AwesomelyLuvvie! Detroit Loves You! Your ‘faithful’ follower, @MotownMimi
I’m not from the US but I remember watching Larry King interviewing Joel and his wife around the time of the health care debate. I suggest you all take a look. I don’t understand why people are so spellbound by these charlatans. Richer than Richie a Rich and their parishioners stay giving them more money, while being encouraged to be meek and mild. Rigoddamndiculous
Annie, I hear you on that. I really don’t understand the folks who keep giving to these super-rich pastors. It’s all over the world and it’s very clear that they’re in it for the money, not for spreading the word. It’s not a shock to me that Osteen supports Trump. I just hope Americans wake up to what that means. AND I hope the world begins to see that these pastors are BOGUS!
oh maaaan…now I have to tell my mom about this…she is going to be so disappointed and then really angry…sigh
I came in here ready to defend Joel but in my Florida Evans voice “damn, damn damn!!
I’ve been saying this for years about these “Mega Ministers”. They talk the talk, but certainly don’t walk the walk. I’m also pissed about the focus on prosperity, wealth, and being rich instead of focusing on the prosperity of self-worth; the wealth of being a good/whole/decent person; on being rich in word and deed and not dollar-centric. Don’t even get me started on the this subject because they rob from the poor and reap in the riches they yield.
^THIS!! Every word.
It astounds me that people actually give snakes like this money. If this latest (not surprising) news helps some wake up about him and his fellow “ministers” at least some good will come out of a whole bunch of unabashed awful.
We have a LOT of work to do this election season, my friends! Let’s register others, and get ourselves and all of the Democrats we know to the polls!
I have never been a fan of Joel. His voice irks my soul. He comes off fake to me!
“Saint Robin Fenty”
I cackled. BISHWERE indeed
Small Black churches have been threatened for years for having politicians come and addresses their congregations. He should have his 501c REVOKED for supporting politics in his church. There is a price to pay for not paying taxes.
Well, he didn’t support politics, per se, b/c he’s not campaigning nor did he make a formal endorsement. He went on the radio and answered a question piss poorly. He also showed his hand.
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For my fellow christian sisters out there, who are you following man or God. God never said in his word to fellow man, Jesus is the author and finisher of my our faith not any pastor, read it, it is in the book (bible). When it comes to who you should vote for ask God who is the best candidate for you, God is a rewarder of those who seek him. That’s my opinion.
I was in Houston visiting a friend and we drove past this huge arena. I asked her what team played there and she laughed and said it was Joel Osteen’s church. Can you imagine if that money was spent elsewhere? Can you imagine the amount of food, clothing, shelter, books, school supplies, medicine or clean water that could be provided with that money!?
My husband was visiting colleges in Southern California when he was in high school and his youth group stopped at Saddleback Church for a tour. As part of the tour, the guide proudly told them that their palm trees cost the church millions of dollars, which, wtf?! Ever since then my husband doesn’t have a good thing to say about megachurches. My father is a minister and his small church is always finding people jobs, paying rent, paying utilities for people and instead of multiplying the good that a small congregation of 200 gives, these megachurches seem to be lining their own pockets. The math does not add up.
PALM TREES cost millions of dollars?? WHAT THE HELL?
I completely agree with you about the community impact Joel could make with the money he brings in, but I want to clarify one thing. Osteen’s church is the former Houston Rockets arena. He didn’t build it from scratch, just renovated.
Wait you mean BOUGHT and renovated. I’m pretty sure the Rockets didn’t donate it to him. So that means he had enough money to buy a used pro stadium.
Him and his wife have always given me the vibes of the preacher + wife that were on TrueBlood (probably based on them).
*Unfollows Joel on all channels*
*Rebukes him in the name of Geezus*
*Bathes in Florida water (I’m out of holy water at the moment)*
*Starts working on the memo to the picnic committees*
I died at Florida water…
You better utilize That good ole Holy water like substance *Tears*
Say what now? Ole grinning Joel had the audacity to set his mouth to proclaim this hateful clown to be a good man because he broke him off a few coins?
The devil is a lie because there is nothing good about Rump and what he represents.
Even if he did not want to openly rebuke him, he’d have been better off by not commenting.
This is exactly the crap that got Illinois into the mess we are in now with our crazy republican governor. He had several powerful black pastors in his pocket who convinced their congregations to vote for him. Now its those very people who are getting completely burned by our governor. WAKE UP PEOPLE!! #areyoupayingattention #gottobemorecareful
You looking at it all wrong. If you look at the situation and conversation/comment with love instead of being biased then you wouldn’t be so quick to discredit Joel Osteen. There is a spirit behind everything and Peter tells us to be alert knowing that the enemy is always trying to catch us off guard and discredit God’s people. Look at how many people follow Joel. How many souls are saved and have been saved through the ministry God has blessed him with. It’s always about the souls. For both sides. If you discredit Mr Olsteen and take him down from that pedestal that God raised him up on think about how many souls would fall. How many more would be kept from being snatched out of hell. You’re playing right into the devil’s hand. Don’t do his work for him. If what he said was a sin then let God deal with him. When King Saul was chasing young David, before he was crowned king of Israel, David didn’t seek to kill him even tho he had the chance to one night and what Saul was doing was out of character. No he says he will not touch God’s anointed. He let God deal with it. So we as Christians have to continue to be Christians and follow God even when our leaders make a mistake. God raises up leaders and sits them down. That’s not our job. We still have to be obedient. Jesus says that a house divided against itself will not stand. So we have to stand together in faith. Not against each other. #realtalk #Godisincontrol #wisdom #knowledge #application
Nope. If souls fall away from Jesus because of the actions of one MAN then were they really with Jesus to begin with?
I have always been skeptical of Joel to begin with so this is just the nail in the coffin. If he has brought people to Christ then I thank him for the good he’s done and keep it moving. I do not need to stand by him in all he does. He is one human and if people would stop putting mankind on a pedestal, they wouldn’t have to worry about falling so hard when one of them fails as epically as Joel has seen to do.
Thank you Kennth Woods! Finally someone talking through the spirit and Gods never failing word…instead of talking From the flesh. Proverbs 3:5 lean not to your own understanding, but in ALL your ways acknowledge God and He will direct your path.
Your comment presupposes that Joel is of God and is anointed by Godr. How do you know that he has been placed on a pedestal by God? How do you know that he is God’s anointed? The Bible says that people can be brought to salvation even by those who are false prophets, and God also says to test the spirits to see if they are from God (1 John 4:1). Being obedient to God does not mean that we accept foolishness and wrongdoing from church leaders.
*anointed by God (not Godr)
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Dump Trump is clearly a racist and is proud of it. He knows he will never willingly get the Black vote so who better than to get it for him than ministers who preach to and/or have a predominantly Black following. He doesn’t give a damn about Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Paula or Joel but he knows how to play the game of politics to get exactly what he wants. I just hope those congregations are smarter than Dump Trump and their ministers think they are.
I was raised on Matthew 25, you know, “as you’ve done to the least of them”. So Osteen and a bunch of folks are going to get the shock of their lives/deaths when Jesus says, “but I knew you not”. Because he is sitting down with the goats, not the lambs. And as smart as you are, why did you ever listen to this con artist? That’s the main reason he backs Drumpf — professionally courtesy – one con artist to another.
My grandfather was a pastor and he always had to have a job to support his family because the churches he preached for basically just provided housing. Being a pastor is a calling, not a career. I cringe every time I see these fools making money from religion. How they can sit in mansions counting their millions while people are suffering down the street and call themselves Christians is beyond me!
Luvvie!!! Have you seen Paula White’s endorsement. Paula White was the everywoman person at T.D. Jakes “Woman Thou Art Loosed, two years running. Like i own the series it was that good! My sister and I had to notify our mama, of the foolishness she was up to.
[Prosperity gospel televangelist Paula White says evangelical icon Billy Graham signed a Bible and wrote a letter with a “prophetic word” in it for Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump for his 60th birthday.
She also said the candidate firmly believes that he is “saved” and noted that based on what she knows of him, Trump “needs to be our next president.”
White who says she has been friends with the almost 70-year-old candidate for 15 years, made the comments at a large rally which attracted an estimated 10,000 people in Orlando, Florida, at the UCF CFE Arena on Saturday.
She vouched for Trump’s bona fides as a believer before invoking the billionaire’s association with Graham.
“Do you have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ? Are you saved?” White said of questions Trump has been frequently asked by Christian leaders in his circle.
“Emphatically it was always ‘yes,'” she said.}
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/prosperity-preacher-paula-white-billy-graham-donald-trump-prophetic-word-bible-159092/#T07Js804lYp1bD0q.99
I did. I linked to it in here.
I see a lot of folks rebuking Joel when in fact the author awesomely Luvvie needs to be rebuked. How dear call this man ministry a sellout for a statement he made on and then call his ministry that has touched countless lives a Fortune 500 company. Do you know whom you playing with, not the man Joel Osteen but the man that sent him the great I am. I’m not upset about what you “exposed”, I’m upset with the manner in which you exposed it. It clear that you don’t know this man’s ministry at all. am I surprised by the statement NO I expect Joel Osteen to see the good in anybody and everybody. by the way how many souls has your ministry saved? Now back to his Fortune 500 Ministry as you referred to it. seek yea the kingdom of God first and all thing will be added on to you. so when you going over Joel’s books Miss Luvvie remember that and that should give you clarification. Now to the most important, touch not my annointed and do my prophet no harm. Miss Luvvie keep your mouth and your writings off of Gods people. you state that you are a Christian, then you know when you disagree or dont understand something with your follow Christian you speek with them directly or you taking to God in prey. and lastly judge yea not for you will be judge. that’s self explanatory. To all 40 of us that commented on this including myself This is the reason why our project dreams goals and aspirations go but so far. Here it is a young lady trying to build a brand, tearing someone down that has a brand. How crazy is this? and for a statement that is true! My people parish due to lack of knowledge ,Some of us took what awesomely Luvvie stated at face value and didn’t even bother to hear or find the interview in it entire. So Said ! will trump make a good political figure in my opinion No, but he is good at what he does in real estate and branding. Miss Luvvie take a tip from Joel’s ministry, if you don’t have nothing good to say find something good to say!
Umm No. As a Christian you need to use biblical discernment to ensure that your Pastor is actually living and preaching the ideals of Jesus Christ. You absolutely should vet this person because otherwise you would be susceptible to false teaching and blindly follow someone just because they claim to be “called” by God. That is how cults are formed and the difference between joining a cult and not joining a cult is spiritual discernment based on God’s Word. Also, would you allow a fellow Christian to be led astray by a Pastor that you know is not aligned with Scripture? Or would you tell them not to judge to avoid questioning their “calling”?
N. Kennedy is right if God has given you the spirit of discernment it is not for you to expose anyone that is Gods job not ours. There is not one false prophet that has not been exposed and I by no mean believe that Joel Osteen is a false prophet.The lady writing this letter was most definitely did not come in the spirit of Christ (all the derogatory language was not Christ like and totally unnecessary) not delivered in the spirit of love. Regardless of who he endorses who are we to question his relationship with Christ?? We need to make sure we are doing what’s right before trying to expose someone else.
Why would God give one the gift of discernment if one was not to use it? And Luvvie wasn’t questioning his relationship with Christ – she was questioning his relationship with Donald Trump. IMO it’s a fair criticism. When someone claims to know God intimately and speak on his behalf as Osteen does, then I have a lot of questions when he calls a racist, xenophobic, misogynistic man a “good man”. As Christians we have every right to question our leaders and we should not check our logic, reason and common sense at the church doors.
N.Kennedy, you said “then you know when you disagree or dont understand something with your follow Christian you speek with them directly or you taking to God in prey.”
Question for you, did you try to speak with Luvvie directly? Did you talk to God ‘in prey’ (sic) before you typed all of that?
I for one has always thought Joel Oldumass was creepy, his voice grates on the last nerve that my chillun left me, so I’m not surprised at all as a matter of fact I was waiting for this
You call yourself a Christian yet you’re boldly violating 2 things God said we as Christians shouldn’t do…judging others and touching His annointed.
Check ya self before you wreck ya self…peace
LLMAOOOOOO! Aw man. This comment is funny.
Girl You done hit a nerve and upset the masses… lmao
Girl, I remember when people defending Creflo Dollar’s plea for that jet. People will defend any and everythang.
This isn’t about judgment. It’s about holding people of influence accountable. Which is what we’re supposed to do, especially for those who are seen as spiritual leaders. They are typically the most damaging.
Luvvie I need to you to create a Like Button so I can cackle and Like posts simultaneously!!!
Yesss!!!!
The only part of your response that I am going to respond to, is the one that has to the most misused/misunderstood/misquoted verse. in the Bible.It’s time that we we not only come correct, but hold each other accountable for continuing to perpetuate lies.
When folks quote Mathew 7:1: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged”, they typically neglect to follow it up with Mathew 7:2: “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
When folks quote Mathew 7:1 and fail to follow up with the the rest of the scripture, they neglect to understand that the scripture is not forbidding judgement, but is focused on ensuring that we do not present ourselves as HYPOCRITES!
Yeshua clearly reminds us, (in Mathew 7:2), that we shall be judged the same way that we judge. So, if we judge in love, we shall be judged in love. If we judge with condemnation, we shall be judged in condemnation.
That whole “not judging” and even “touch not my anointed”, is a twist on what YAH means. We are SUPPOSED hold each other accountable for what we say/do, (yes, even Pastors! THE HORROR!), because there is danger in failing to repent. And the blessing in all of this, He was even kind enough to leave us directions on what to look for and/or how it should be done, (1 John. 3:17; Galatians. 6:2; Titus 1:9; 1 Timothy 1:3-4; 1 Timothy 4:16; II Timothy 4:2; Mathew 18:15-16 are just a few to refer to.)
So, can we please leave the fallacy that Mathew 7:1 precludes us from “judging” and start embracing the truth that we are to provide correction (and not condemnation)? I’m sure “Daddy” would so appreciate it!
YAH BLESS!
This is the 1st blog I’ve read from you Luvvie – Nice! Not only do I concur with every sentence, but you had me rollin in here! lol..
WELCOME!!! Never leave! 😀
Joel has a couple good books but anyone who preaches the prosperity gospel aligns themselves with money over anything else. I saw the date of the interview as well and thought, “it is old,” but Trump had mafe many ignorant statements months before. Joel made a statement about Trump to protect his investments. Its disgusting but not at all surprising from a man whose business is so wealthy. Yes, his ministry is a business.
I knew Paula White was a fraud years back when she spoke at my church in Chicago. She said, and I quote, “you can make out that offering check to Paula White Ministries… and if you wanna write it for 10k I don’t have any problems with it.” Then laughed like it was cute. Right after she said that, about 60 people got up and left. She was that tacky about it.
So many frauds. But we have to put our game faces on and VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
I think context matters. What does Joel look like calling this man an azz-hole on the radio? And might if Trumpf has done more than just wrote checks? Might if he has helped out children in poverty or single moms ( all hypotheticals). My point is, does one person bad comments and actions out weigh all his good attributes? There is good in every person. I do not agree with Trump or his politics but is it possible to denounce his statements and actions during this political circus and still think there is good in this man? One in not exclusive of the other. If you met Donald Trump and he was kind to you and treated you and your friends nicely, is it possible for you to still have a good opinion of him. I think the problem with Christianity is this above all mentality. Christianity is based on love and I think Joel’s response reflects that.
Hearing some of these dumb-ass sheep people talking bout (paraphrasing) we shouldn’t criticize God’s anointed or the one I love about judging others. I ‘judge’ folks, businesses, clothes, toothpaste, and everything else under the sun on a daily basis and guess what good Christian people – so do you. If you don’t ‘judge’ you may find yourself wrapped up in a myriad of bullshit like other sheep do lol…
Welp.
So much YES to #alladis!
God also says to “test the spirits” and “you shall know them by their fruit.” Is he doing 32 million dollars worth of good in his community, every year? Or does he have a giant house, a bevy of cars and cash out the ass? People need to be much more discerning. We can’t assume someone is annointed just because we like what they say, or how they say it. Does he live like Christ? Because preachers like Joel turn off millions of people to God’s Word everyday. Christ told his disciples to not even carry a bag to hold money. The one disciple who handled monetary betrayed Him. He told the rich man to sell ALL he owned to help the poor. He said you can’t serve both God and money. So these prosperity preachers are the exception, and Jesus doesn’t know what He’s talking about? Or is it more likely that they are the wolves in sheep’s clothing He warned us about? To quote Cadillac Kim, “you need to have some muthafuckin discernment.” Jesus said there are no good men, but we believe differently.
Yes! I had a whole response written but I can’t say it better than this so Imma just raise my hand behind you.
PREACH!!!
Summa yall caping for Joel like you know him personally & were present when the hand of God came down with his anointing.
Y’all need Jesus. *sets up in prayer closet*
Trump is a disgrace and disgusting. I don’t see any place where Joel Osteen actually endorsed him for President. I get that back in October you wanted him to only say horrible things about Trump, but that is not Pastor Osteen’s style & isn’t required of anyone, let alone a Pastor.
You wrote this level of vitriol because he said back in October that Trump was a “good man”? Calm down.
He has an active ministry that has deeply developed local and international missions, in addition to meeting the needs of members locally. This poorly researched, misleading & profane blog post won’t change that.
Thanks E Gray. You are spot on. I love this blog, but I am disappointed by this misleading note about Pastor Osteen. He did not endorse Trump in the interview. He quickly moved away from that leading question posed, AND offered a disclaimer stating that he was not up on all of the political stuff, but that Trump had supported his ministry. THEN, he said he was a good man. Was he a good man for supporting his ministry? Seriously, there are many prominent “so called” Christian leaders supporting Trump (Falwell and Jeffries) despite his most racist, ignorant and non-Christian moments. (Max Lucado has spoken about how puzzling this is. 2 Corinthians anyone?) Dragging Joel Osteen into this mess is irresponsible. Anyone who follows Lakewood Church, World Vision or Joel Osteen knows the programs and ministry culture are positive, practice inclusion, support the poor and try to give all people a better relationship with God and each other. C’mon now, there’s plenty more low hanging fruit and you, smart lady, can do better.
Are you serious? A man who runs a church that has large Black congregation talmbout “Donald Trump is a good man and a friend of my ministry.” October 2015 was just 5 months ago, y’all. Donald Trump BEEN showing his ass since before then. This ain’t new.
You know how the villains of the world get away with the bullshit they do? When “middle of the road” ass “say nothing to challenge their shit” ass people like Joel sit there and find words of kindness for doers of hate. It wasn’t like he said “He’s been a good man to me in the past but I don’t support his recent comments.” He called Trump a friend to his ministry.
And you talmbout overreacting. OK. What do you think happened when Hitler was rising? “Good people” watched him spew hate. Until that hate turned to people being burned alive.
Trump (or Dump, as I’d rather call him) is NOT a good man. I’ve loathed him for close to 30 years since I first heard of him, and I didn’t even know what a racist asshole he is yet! I just loathed his sorry ass for being vulgar, shallow, and arrogant. Not really familiar enough with Joel Osteen to judge him, if you can believe it — but if he says Dump is a “friend of the ministry” and a “good man,” he sure got shitty judgment, if nothing else. And even if he was only saying those things to be diplomatic or whatever, because he was being publicly interviewed and didn’t want to badmouth anyone — well, then he was being a phony and a fake, which also makes a person wonder about his character, don’t it?
Chile…I speak the truth…if any one is stupid enough to send someone all their money or give it to the pastor of a mega church…I say the pastor of the mega church should take every penney…I read my bible, and I ain’t taking care of NO ONE, the black church has been caught up in this nonsense forever…anniversaries, birthdays, pastoral celebrations, first ladies day, pastor appreciation…chile please!. If you want to follow someone…send me ALL your money.. I would greatly appreciate it and will even call you and read the bible to you! I say these poor lost fools should be taken advantage of, not sure what bible they are reading, teaching or learning from, but Jesus said to all who followed Him, to lay down their riches and give up everything to follow Him, told them they would be persecuted as well…so what is this nonsence about being a rich pastor, or wanting someone to buy you a jet? Puhleeze…if they gonna send you money take it….or use the damn sense you were born with….stop following people and follow the word of God, His book. Yes, I am a sinner saved by grace, but I bet you my money is in my pocket…..
Speak on it Ma’am
???????????????? @ read the Bible to you
**nonsense…sorry
Osteen came as close to endorsing Drumpf as he can without losing tax-exempt status. I wonder which of Drumpf’s three marriages Osteen considers sacred? Takes a douchebag to like one!
Good won’t get him in heaven or get my vote ijs
This is why preachers should preach/teach or fulfill the ministry that God has given them.What they should never do is endorse any politician. I don’t care how close they are or how long they have been friends.Preachers stay out of politics!!!How many people will vote against their own interest because the man of God said this was a good person.Tax free status should be revoked if they endorse any candidate.
I never like Joel Nolsteen. He’s a fraud and a phony, and those who cape for that ass are lost as hell–he’s one of the MANY reasons why I’ll NEVA EVA claim christianity!
Hey Luvvie,
I normally agree with most of your posts. But I think you’re making a mountain out of a molehill with this one and completely overreacting. A) In October, Trump was indeed acting like a jackass, however, he became a certified jackass in 2016. B) He never endorsed him as a President. He simply said he was a good man. Good is relative to everyone. If you watched him on The Apprentice, you would think he was an overall, good person. C) Joel Osteen NEVER criticizes anyone. I’m not even a supporter of his ministry, but I respect him as a preacher, even if his style is not my cup of tea. D) Joel doesn’t even get paid much or possibly anything from his ministry (I remember seeing an interview with him – I think it was with Oprah – where he mentioned this. He makes his money from his book sales and investments).
We all reap what we sow, and I’m sure you wouldn’t like it if someone completely discredited everything you have ever done because you said something kind in an old about someone who turned out to be a jackass. It is what it is.
Still a fan of you, Luvvie… But I disagree with you on this one.
One of the best comments on this post! Thank you
We can agree to disagree.
*slow clap*
and there is only one judge that counts. His son ate with taxpayers 🙂
Sorry, but I can’t be down with Joel Osteen and his tight wig for many reasons. Or Trump and his loose one.
And Ted Cruz is on stage with some fool that is saying all gays should be put to death.
Just, NAWL.
I’ve never visited Joel’s church & I’m certainly not a Donald fan. But, I’m disappointed in this post and unclear as to what the expectation is. Should Joel give away all of his possessions and live in abject poverty to prove himself worthy of being acknowledged as a man of God? Was he supposed to jeopardize the tax exempt status of the church & take up the cause of trashing Donald? Because that certainly would have been considered as political activity. I’m just wondering what reaction Joel could have offered to not be criticized?
This is why we have separation between Church and State. Joel did not endorse Trump and he did not lie that Trump is a good friend to his ministries. Why lie and have folks digging up stuff just to judge and label you as a dishonest Pastor. Joel Osteen has always been about motivational preaching and raising each other up. You will not get Joel to speak hateful of anyone, politics or negativity. Why is it in all of that recording NOBODY has mentioned the call in from Bill Clinton saying the same thing about Trump and sounding like he was endorsing Trump over his own wife?
As much as I enjoy reading your work (you’re amazing girl, anazing!) I couldn’t even finish this one. I could and would be the first to stand in line and wait to board my boat back to Africa if that man is elected but this was blown out of context. His remark was roundabout. Plus, he said this October, long before the race for presidency became this outrageous. And truthfully, maybe Joel does know a different side of him. (whoops! Does it make me a mentee of Satan too to even suggest that he may have a good quality or two buried deep…deeeeeeeep…deeeeeeeeeeeeep down inside?) I’d like to hear what he may say about him now; his commentary at this point could give us a lot more insight as to where he stands but a simple “he’s a nice guy” isn’t enough to brand him the way you have.
Agreed, I think this is the first article in the years I’ve followed this site that I gave a mean side-eye lol. I don’t even think I’ve ever heard Joel talk negatively about Satan. I saw the interview and not once did I see this as an endorsement or even him supporting Trump. I think he gave a very political-neutral answer, would it have been nice for him to wail against Trump or at least some of Trump’s rhetoric? Yes but I think 6 months ago Trump was not viewed as someone to be taken seriously.
Guuuurrrrrrrrrl! Look what you done did AwesomelyLuvvie! Done riled up folk….talkin bad bout Joel!…hehehehe….
*in my Benita Brutrell voice* “Don’t NOBODY talk bad bout Reh-vur-runt Osteen! He a kind man!”
Hunteeeeeeey…..he is a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar cry from his daddy….dass all I’m gon say bout dat!!!
He preaches what itching ears want to hear. And yes, he has to give an account for how he has led the congregation, what he has taught the people, did he rightly divide the word of truth, did he admonish his flock to work out their salvation with fear and trembling. Teachers/preachers are held to a higher standard (check James 3:1). And I (who typing) have to give an account for my life as well.
So all who are wearing capes, giving sideeye to Luvvie, sippin tea, and all the like, let US ALLLLLLLLLL check OURSELVES, our motives, our lives.
Pt. 2 – Please read and follow Humans of New York (HONY) on Facebook/Twitter. The Journalist Brandon Stanton basically co-signed this with his “letter to Mr. Trump”. I almost got out of my work chair with the good halalalabosha shout and praise dance…between yours and his reads I’m gonna need Jesus to be a fence for me if I encounter any Trump supporters!
Let the church say “Yasssssss”
The TRUMPSTER off-ic-ially DECLARED himself a presidential candidate in JUNE 2015
FACT: So the good Joel knew exactly who and what the Trumpster stands for. Don’t be fooled, folks!
Traditionally, Trump has avoided backing his public speculations of a presidential run with action – until June 16, 2015, when he formally announced his candidacy for the 2016 election.
http://2016.republican-candidates.org/Trump/
I have to agree with this, and I am somewhat puzzled by those that are using the Bible against you.
We are all God’s children and he loves us all. As Crissle would say, “words mean things”. Joel Osteen could have very easily said something nice about Donald Trump without saying that he is a “good man”. For those talking about judging, well…it goes both ways. Saying that he is a “bad man” is a judgement, but saying that he is a “good man” is also a judgement. Both statements speak to Trump’s character. So for me, it is about what Osteen chose to say and how he chose to describe Trump.
I’m clapping over here. You said it about as well as it could be said.
I’m mad it’s either/ or. A preacher is either FILTHY rich, or THIRD WORLD poor? What happened to the rest of the spectrum? There’s a big freaking spectrum of comfortable living, while not slinging riches. The bible said to “avoid the very appearance of evil.” That by appearing to be ungodly or conflicted, we can cause another to stumble.
So my question is, what defines the “wolf in sheep’s clothing” Jesus warned about? If being overly focused on money doesn’t count, what does? I’ll wait.
Besides, Christ said to follow Him, not preachers. Like, He specifically said it. How many scriptures can you ignore in order to defend an inherently fallible man?
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
-Edmund Burke
These guys really piss me off! He could take care of the Flint water problem in 1 or 2 weekends! But noooooo, he’d rather spend millions to bring palm trees to an area where they are not native and the cost to maintain them is prohibitive. Ridiculous! They’ll NEVER get a penny from me and I’ve spoken to many of my relatives and friends against giving these fakers their hard earned cash.
PS: How do I reply to your Luvvie Ajayi fb page? There’s no “Comment” section. ☹️
Somewhere in my house a set of CD’s are getting dusty, they will be going straight to the trash.
I rebuke him in the name of Shadrack, Meshack, and a BIG NEGRO.
I’m just wondering – is what your saying suppose to be just your opinion that everyone is suppose to get on board on. I don’t happen to like Trump. I think he is running to show the American people just how stupid and gullible they are.
I don’t have to agree if Mr. Osteen is for or against Trump. The pulpit is not a place to discuss politics. We’re suppose to be talking about God and His grace and love. So if you’re too wrapped up in something that has nothing to do with God’s message, then the fault lies with you. Maybe when he met Trump he found him to be all those things. That doesn’t mean he has to agree with the way he is running his campaign and nothing you posted indicates that he agrees with his campaign. He commented on the man he met, not on the man he became. If I met you last year or ten years ago and read this post, I might say your not the same person I knew. But when asked, I could say that you were a good person. Which am I referring to. The past person I met or the person writing the post? We are all so quick to judge. I don’t see Mr. Osteen on Trumps campaign ticket or trail. Again, I’m not going to judge Mr. Osteen even if he does like Trump. That is his choice. But what I care about is the message he delivers which about God’s love, patience, mercy and most importantly forgiveness. You have a right to post whatever you want and to ask those who read your post to dismiss Mr. Osteen but they should do so with all the facts and not just your opinion. If they are doing that, then that makes them no better than you. We all have the right to speak out and against those who are deliberately trying to hurt people. But turn on any news station and every station is on someone’s side. I swear each time I turn on Channel 7 or Good Morning America, I see nothing but Trump’s face. So do I stop watching this channel because I think they are supporting Trump or if I turn to Channel 4 and they are supporting Rubio or Clinton and I don’t like them, then do I stop watching that channel? Your doing the same thing based on a nonpolitical statement.
You don’t have to like Mr. Osteen or can feel like he let you down but who are you putting your faith in – in man or in God? Man is fallible – God is not. Tell us about why we shouldn’t vote for Trump, don’t tell us about what someone else said. In the end, they are just one vote but if we know the truth about Trump – then it won’t matter what other ministers either on tv or in our neighborhood pulpits are saying.
Again, I don’t know if Mr. Osteen’s comment was based on a previous meeting and since the interview didn’t ask him about his political campaign or political opinion, I think more is being made out of this than necessary.
Like him or dislike him (Joel Osteen) but do so because you know ALL the facts, not just what you think you know. Dislike Trump or feel sympathy for his stupidity but do so because you know ALL the facts. I don’t like him and would never vote for him but that is me.
As a Houstonian, I have been leery of and angry with Mr. Osteen and his church since Hurricane Katrina. You see, Houston is a big city and we have a lot of big places here. We have NRG Stadium and we have arenas and we have big schools and enormous parking lots. And while so many churches, schools and communities here were putting forth energy and funds and time to help, hydrate, feed, clothe, medicate, do what was needed for the people who came from Louisiana, people who were separated from their families, their friends, their community, people who were lost and confused and hungry, who were displaced by this hurricane, well, Mr. Osteen was busy locking doors to the church What church does not help its people? So while the NRG stadium was full and community centers were full and entire neighborhoods were joining together to donate water and clothing and toiletries and compassion for those who were displaced, this enormous church with very deep pockets quietly did NOT A THING. Not a damn thing.
Hi Commenters, Please consider signing my petition asking Pastor Paula White to Denounce Trump’s Hate Speech. Thanks!
https://www.change.org/p/paula-white-petition-to-pastor-paula-white-to-denounce-donald-trump-s-hate-speech?recruiter=510016979&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
I’m with everything here, and I really want to read a post/article you write on the non-profit tax structure.
Tell the truth, Luvvie.
Tell it.
All these mega church leaders – refuse to call them pastors – are in it for the money. They’re charlatans who learn public speaking along with hypnotizing.
As for Joel, his good man Drumpf statement timing doesn’t matter. Knowing Drumpf’s lying past should have been enough to distance him. But as you said, money talks. A man of God would speak against his bigiotry and lies or take the high road and call him out once his racism became so clear. Screw you Joel. We’ve seen you through your wolfs clothing and you’re skinny and pale.
Gurlll, you put dem feet to the fire. Thank you for your service, Luvvie!
You know, I’ve been secretly side eyeing Joel Osteen for a minute. And I say secretly because so many people I know love his toothy grinning tail so much they’d snatch my edges the minute I said something wrong about him. Now, I was raised as superstitious as all get out (my mother’s whole side of the family is Puerto Rican so you know how we do), and there’s always been something about him that I didn’t like. I felt kind of bad about it because I don’t know this man, and he’s supposed to be a “man of God” and here I was hating for no reason. Maybe it was because he’s a gazillionaire and a pastor. Maybe because that smile made me see some imaginary red horns. Something never sits right with me when pastors have so much money. Like, aren’t you supposed to live humbly? How you got a jet? What you doing with all that money? I know I’m petty. But damn Joel, Trump is a good man?! I’m going to so side eye freely anytime somebody say your name. Every time one of my friends repost your motivational BS I’m going to be that petty friend that comments “He thinks Trump is a good man though”. Then I’m going to add a link to this post and tell them here it for themselves. #staypetty
Does not the scriptures state “What is given to you freely give unto others freely”? If these men all called to preach the gospel why are they accepting money? The word of the Gospel is given to them freely isn’t it? God didn’t charge Moses did he when he gave him the tablet.
Joel is a fraud, just like Joyce and Beth, so for that I applaud Trump for speaking up for the unborn as no other popular want your money evangelical with no backbone has. Enough said.